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« on: June 12, 2017, 09:20:23 AM »

Our new ten-week-old puppy, Nancy, is always ravenous!  I am feeding her the recommended amount of Royal Canin puppy food, but she is always looking for more.  I feed her four times a day, in her cage, because our ten year old, Carrie, is greedy and would eat Nancy's dinner as well as her own.  I have wormed her, but am concerned because she is always so hungry - can I increase her food?  She is slim, you can feel her ribs, very active and perhaps just needs a lot more to eat.  Advice please!
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2017, 10:20:24 AM »

Yes, do increase her food a little.  Pups grow and get thinner and then stop growing and get a bit chubby until the next growth phase starts.  I feed as much as a pup wants to eat for the first four months and then, when they are growing more slowly, keep them so I can feel the ribs and see a definite waist.  Sound as though she is fine at the moment but a 10% increase overall, perhaps.

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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2017, 08:52:38 PM »

Tarly is now 18 weeks old and he was the same always up for food as if he was always hungry!
I fed him 4 meals a day until a few weeks ago and now he is on 3 a day but obviously larger portions.
In between he will have training treats ,stuffed kongs and a bit of carrot.
Although I used the guidelines for amounts to feed I tend to go by the look of him to be fair .
One thing I did and still do is use his meal allowance to train him with rather than just give it to him all in one go as in in a bowl and instead would make his dinner last quite awhile drip feeding him it as and when making it last up to an hour( obviously this will depend on if you have time)
Sgurr s advice sounds right, I do not think it will hurt a puppy at this stage if you feed it a bit more as it will easily be used up and if you do think she has put on to much it can easily be adjusted.
Rambling now but I am sure you will be fine and plenty  more good advice will I am sure be coming soon!
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2017, 03:12:25 PM »

If she is a very active pup as well then she will burning extra calories... I don't know about Royal Canin but mine has a really large bracket for recomendation (currently 220g-300g).
We are sticking with the top bracket until he starts to not finish his food.

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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2017, 04:24:08 PM »

Royal Canin is pretty specific - 326 grammes at 5 months, so will talk to my vet next week
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 06:00:18 PM »

I only ever use the instructions on the packet as a guideline, and go by how the dog looks. When the pup is standing you should be able to see a waistline but not ribs. You should be able to feel the ribs when you run your hand along, but not sticking out. Alf gets about 20% more than the food instructions say, but he is the ideal weight according to my vet so I will carry on as I am.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 02:29:44 PM »

They do say you should feed with your eyes & just use the instructions as guidance.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2017, 05:35:05 PM »

So, Nancy is now getting three meals a day and on vet and breeder's advice I have increased the amounts.  The vet also said that, as she is very active, to abandon walks for the moment, so I am just doing a ten minute on-the-lead walk.  She does some training (sit/stay/come etc) every day, has a swim if it's warm, has games to play and gets plenty of attention BUT every afternoon she just goes bonkers - she starts at about four o'clock - finds a ball and brings it to be thrown over and over and if I stop, just tears round the garden, nose to the ground sniiffing and this can go on for two or three hours.  Surely this is a bit over the top, even for a five month old Springer puppy?  We have a ten-year-old Springer as well, and I don't remember her ever being as frantic as this.  Any suggestions as how I can get her to calm down a bit, or is she OK?
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2017, 02:09:56 PM »

If she has got into a routine of being very active at 4pm then you could try changing the routine a bit. Maybe make 4pm a time when you are indoors doing brain-training type games (such as getting treats out of a kong wobbler, or a puzzle toy) so she cannot charge around the garden. Maybe limit the time she is allowed in the garden - I limited the time my puppies were allowed out or they would never have had any rest at all! Max in particular would happily have played, charged around and generally been nosy all day if I had allowed him to but that is not healthy. I think I remember reading or hearing that puppies should get around 18 hours of sleep in any 24 hour period and it's often up to the owner to notice the signs when a puppy is getting frantic and impose some quiet time. It could just be that Nancy, having had a lovely day full of training and other activities, is overtired and needs a rest. I found that the best approach was to spread the activities my pups did (training, brain games, walk, play) throughout the day, and put rest times in between. It meant that, once they had got a bit of stimulation, they were happy to settle down for a nice snooze.
Have you taught Nancy a command for "settle" - this is when she should be taught to settle down in a particular spot and be calm for a little while. It might take a little while to teach it but it is a really useful command for times like dinner time, or when you need to get on with something without interruption. That might help too.
If she is very food motivated you could also try something like marrow bones from your local butcher - my dogs would drop anything to go and lie chewing on one of those. That may help to calm her down and wear her out a bit. Good luck!
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2017, 02:53:00 PM »

I agree with Kate.  I think this is probably a sign that she is over-tired and needs to be taught to settle and rest.  A bit like young children, young dogs will tap into their energy reserves and appear full of energy but it may be because they are too tired to feel settled. 
I also agree that she needs to be taught to settle.  If I were you I would use some of her daily ration to make a Kong, and perhaps even freeze it to make it last longer, and then put her somewhere like her bed/crate/mat, near you if she likes constant company, or on her own if you think that would be better.  Insist that she stays put by keep putting her back if you need to.  It will take time and persistence on your part, but hopefully she'll quickly learn that 'settle' means she gets a tasty treat in a quiet place.
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